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That is your choice. Not a good one but yours none the less.

I guess you aren't going to let everyone know how long you are going to make Adrian wait it out.

The complaint has already been filed with the postal inspector to pull any info that they may have. What I do know is that Rice Lake has NO record or custom form s for ANY shipment to Romania during the month of May and that was from the PO @ 14 East Eau Clair St. 715-234-3553 as of 9am on 6/10/2011

"I haven't heard from Adrian since I let him know I shipped his radio after I got back from WI. Nothing. "

I missed your other post Steve about the "cheating the government out of their taxes" and will not even get into that pissing match. You want to go down that road you would be burying yourself.

I get nothing out of this other than helping someone that has been forth right over the years and is 7000 miles away with no avenue to help himself here in the states.

Shame on you for that kind of come back.

From your post:

How about this:
1. Adrian doesn't want to Pay The VAT. Can you blame him? Have you bought online out of state rather than in state to save on the tax?

2. You admit to helping him cheat his government out of their duties under the guise that "Everybody buys online to cheat on the taxes". So you have some involvement. That statement that you have in quotes is not a quote from me.

3. You and Adrian want a refund because I failed to cover my butt, and Adrian wants to use the money to cover the VAT. PLEASE show me where anyone at anytime ask for a refund. We have ONLY requested the correct paperwork or something to show shipment.

Some will need to read carefully because of the english barrier, but Adrians son Paul has explained VAT in his email below:

Nate,

My father just send me email and he is asking me to explain for you and other US Hams haw the customs and ham laws are in Romania

So first of all ... by the law ... any ham who want to buy a equipment from other country it's tax free by the romanian law ..... cause there is NO NEW equipment involved in business, also all romanian ham have to do unless a ham friend doesn't want to send it as a gift is to pay a percentage from declared value. And that's because the item coming from outside European Union couse otherwise will be no problem and no tax to pay if we buy form UK for example.

I hope we are clear and if you want you can put my email on the forum signed and write by YO9JIM - Paul

I hope all us hams understood that this guy making lough on us maybe cause we don't now english like he does but I rely hope that he will never enjoyed this stolen money ...

Paul YO9JIM

If you do a little research, you will find that shipping overseas USPS can be a nightmare. The last rig I sent overseas via USPS was 6 weeks in delivery. From USPS it goes to customs overseas and then the carriers in other countries sometimes add additional charges to the delivery, along with any country, and local city taxes. You can sell a rig for $500 and it may arrive with an additional $500 in government and delivery charges. I no longer ship overseas.
73 Paul w8jn

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Hey Guys,
Unfortunately, my experience with international shipping indicates two weeks is not a reasonable amount of time. I know you dont want to hear this, but I would say that 12 weeks is the "lost in space" time line. Two lessons: never ship usps overseas and never buy or sell overseas. At this point I am on Steves side. That may change in 12 weeks.
Paul w8jn

w8jn wrote:Hey Guys,
Unfortunately, my experience with international shipping indicates two weeks is not a reasonable amount of time. I know you dont want to hear this, but I would say that 12 weeks is the "lost in space" time line. Two lessons: never ship usps overseas and never buy or sell overseas. At this point I am on Steves side. That may change in 12 weeks.
Paul w8jn

Yea i bought an icom 756 and it was from Canada 2 years ago and it took 5 1/2 weeks thru the postal service..I will Never do that again,I think Romania is just a bit further down the road..According to usps Any shipment going overseas may take up to 4 weeks just to leave port as they wait until the ship is to capacity before they leave.Only makes since..

"According to usps Any shipment going overseas may take up to 4 weeks just to leave port as they wait until the ship is to capacity before they leave.Only makes since.."

Howard brings up an excellent point. Unless you ship "International Express"(cost prohibitive" Overseas shipments sit on a ship at dock until they have enough cargo to fill the ship. A month at stateside dock??? Yes sad but that is just the way it works. I shipped to Radek SP5TVK in Poland. It took 6 weeks to get to him. The thread is somewhere on qth feedback.
Steve, Good Luck. Paul w8jn

5/13 Received $$ 1 month to date
5/17 Supposed Shipping 25 days to date No radio, receipt or tracking #

6/10 No record of ANY shipment to Romania from Rice Lake WI

6/10 Steve refuses to say how long Adrian is to wait for his radio or $$ back.

If for any reason the radio shows up in Romania, I will apologize for any inconvenience due Steve by these postings and Steve’s short comings as a truthful ham.

Nate......NA6TE

6/10 Steve refuses to say how long Adrian is to wait for his radio or $$ back.


I thought he posted he would wait until the rig arrived in Romania,or back to him?
Seems pretty clear to me.

I'm with Steve on this one,give it more time.

I guess I need to read between the lines.

USPS is air freight unless it's over a certain weight (in the 100's of lbs) so it doesn't sit on a dock anywhere.

Adrian, to my knowledge has never asked for a refund, only the radio or some indication that it was shipped. (Rice Lake WI has NO record of the shipment)

And as far as the time limit, well I guess all that have voiced their opinion to wait would never have posted if this had happened to them. They would just wait 3,6,9 months or maybe a year and sit back and never show a concern.

As said before, 3 years of shipping there and never has been this length of time.

I recieved a request from Adrian on a radio around the same time Steve shipped and sold Adrian a Radio. Adrian passed on mine and i assume decided to go with Steve by the timing of all this. I myself have to support Steve at this time and like another said on here it took a month for a radio just from Canada one time to reach me. My good friend at the Post office when i was shipping a Tuner to Mexico told me that tracking numbers for out of USA mean nothing as once it gets to what ever country it is going to your now playing with there system. I sold a Radio a few years back to a guy in Germany and it took over 6 weeks at that time to reach him.A fellow from Russia bought my IC756 pro a year ago and had me ship it to a import export business in New Jersey because he told me it could be months before he might receive it in Russia. So i do not feel Steve's reasoning is out of line.

As I stated in an earlier post it does take longer than two three and even four weeks to be delivered over seas. What this all boils down to is that Steve has not provided the shipping info. If it were provided all this back and forth would not even be taking place. Steve lost the info which is very plausible. He has great feedback on here and is a seasoned ham. I really do not believe he is out to screw anyone over.,especially a fellow ham.

I've shipped to Europe twice, once to the UK and once to Sweden. Each time I used AIR parcel post (or whatever they call it now). For a small item, a tube, IT COSTS but each parcel was delivered within a week.

The alternative was an "undefined" overseas parcel that can charitably be described "it gets there when it gets there", MAYBE four to six weeks.

You get what you pay for!

Heck, once I got a letter that took THREE MONTHS to go 0.5 MILE.

Wake up! You know who you're dealing with!

N9LCD

5/13 Received $$ over 1 month to date
5/17 Supposed Shipping 28 days to date No radio, receipt or tracking #
(4 weeks)
6/10 No record of ANY shipment to Romania from Rice Lake WI

6/10 Steve refuses to say how long Adrian is to wait for his radio or $$ back.
(don’t post “as long as it takes” you wouldn’t settle for it and Adrian shouldn’t have to either)
If for any reason the radio shows up in Romania, I will apologize for any inconvenience due Steve by these postings and Steve’s short comings as a truthful ham.

Anybody see a past pattern over the years? And YES Steve does have favorable feed backs but the unfavorable ones seem to resemble the current situation. Steve may suffer from CRS and that buying/selling needs to have responsibility accompany it.

http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?83277-KC0REY/page2

http://chat.qth.com/viewtopic.php?p=153 ... 2ec22337ec

http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index ... 309.0;wap2

http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index ... ic=48309.0

5/13 Received $$ over 5 weeks as of 6/19
5/17 Supposed Shipping 35 days as of 6/19
No radio, receipt or tracking # (5 weeks)
6/10 No record of ANY shipment to Romania from Rice Lake WI
6/10 Steve refuses to say how long Adrian is to wait for his radio or $$ back. Please don’t post “as long as it takes” you wouldn’t settle for it and Adrian shouldn’t have to either
If for any reason the radio shows up in Romania, I will apologize for any inconvenience due Steve by these postings and Steve’s short comings as a truthful ham.

Below is the last correspondence from Adrian's son, Paul.
Dated 6/16. Email addresses have been omitted for obvious reasons.

From: Paul email address omitted
To: Nate email address omitted
Subject: Re: hello

Ok Nate,

Thanks for helping us, like I all ready said my father was at the Post office and speak with the officials from there and they said that it may possible to track the box even it's not in Romania but ONLY by tracking number. Anyway I fell that Steve never go to Post Office to send us a box.
We will fill out that form ... and waiting maybe a miracle it's cumming but I realize that is all most impossible.

That's life what can I say ... sometimes we loose sometimes we win, my father's health it's not so good after this incident I told him to be strong cause it's only money .... maybe he will listening my advise and relax a little bit cause he need this.

Thanks again for all Nate we will keep you informed if something happens.

Regards,

Paul

NS5U wrote:This thread is working to confirm a growing trend towards CONUS (Continental United States) only shipping terms offered by Hams. It is an unfortunate reality but international sales are too risky for many selling hobby items. Many professional dealers including some located outside the USA are unwilling to ship to certain foreign locations. There is little chance anyone reading this thread will be encouraged to become involved selling to these parties or others outside the US . . .

I have two problems with this. First, I have had a number of dealings over several years with a ham friend in Russia. I have never had this kind of shipping issue. Second, why do people insist on saying CONUS only. What in the world do they have against our 49th and 50th states? Same laws and USPS regulations apply in Alaska and Hawai'i as to the lower 48.

USPS works well to the 49th and 50th states and even to Canada.

If the buyer is willing to pay the price private carriers are okay as well.

Sellers unwilling to risk being smeared in public over a good faith transaction are increasingly avoiding the complications of shipping to foreign destinations. One clear indication of the potential for problems with a buyer is the request for illegally falsified customs documents.

It is premature to join sides in the issue at hand. The seller has had a few problems in the past(minor and apparently resolved) and the buyer has had no problems in the past while presently looking to circumvent the law(albeit what many seem to consider a minor infraction).

Pressuring the seller via this venue without letting the dust settle over the shipping schedule is sufficient reason to avoid this buyer his American agent and other similarly acting parties.

NS5U wrote:USPS works well to the 49th and 50th states and even to Canada.

If the buyer is willing to pay the price private carriers are okay as well.

Sellers unwilling to risk being smeared in public over a good faith transaction are increasingly avoiding the complications of shipping to foreign destinations. One clear indication of the potential for problems with a buyer is the request for illegally falsified customs documents.

It is premature to join sides in the issue at hand. The seller has had a few problems in the past(minor and apparently resolved) and the buyer has had no problems in the past while presently looking to circumvent the law(albeit what many seem to consider a minor infraction).

Pressuring the seller via this venue without letting the dust settle over the shipping schedule is sufficient reason to avoid this buyer his American agent and other similarly acting parties.

I agree with all of your points here. This whole thread seems kind of unseemly. One thing that I always find very strange is when a seller names a price and then says "plus shipping costs, to CONUS only." If the buyer is going to pay the shipping, why does the seller want to preclude a possible sale to a U.S. ham in Hawai'i or Alaska. Very strange, indeed, IMHO.

Let me add that my Russian ham friend has never asked me to make a fraudulent claim on a custom form. He's only stressed that I should correctly specify that the equipment is used, because that greatly reduces the duty that he has to pay on his end.

Let me add that my Russian ham friend has never asked me to make a fraudulent claim on a custom form. He's only stressed that I should correctly specify that the equipment is used, because that greatly reduces the duty that he has to pay on his end.

When I was doing a lot of eBay, I found out that when shipping to foreign countries (including countries in North America), some buyers wanted us to lie about what was in the package.

If someone would lie about the value, and it's found out, the seller is responsible and takes the hit, not the buyer. So if a seller admits they lied on the forms, it's their problem.

I agree,
Many times I have had foreign buyers ask me to lie about the value and indicate that it is "scrap parts". I have told the buyer that I am ok with their request however they assume all liability if it is lost or destroyed. They will receive the $2 dollar insurance reimbursement for the $1500 they spent because they wanted to save a few $$$$ on shipping and taxes.

It never fails after everyone adds their comments about their own experiences the thread gets side tracked in another direction.

Fact:
No one has asked for a refund YET only proof of sending.
Fact:
Steve said he entered the amount of $750 on the customs form so there was no cheating.
Fact:
The sender would not pay any VAT or any other type of tax, therefore doesn’t it sound sort of stupid to think Adrian would let the radio sit in customs for 10% or 20% (actually no cost for used ham gear) of the $750? Let’s see, spend maybe $150 to get the radio or lose $820, what would all of you do? I know what I would do, it doesn’t take an Einstein to go pick up the radio if it was there.

The only problem is that it has become clearer and clearer that Steve did not send the radio. When my phone bill comes in for this month, I will post for Steve’s benefit, the call I made to the WI PO and the return call when they called me to let me know that there were NO packages sent to Romania anytime during the month of May. Since I did not ask for a name of who may have sent a package only if a package may have been sent.

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