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Package from KA9MOT

Post by NA6TE » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:22 pm

I retrieved the box from Steve (KA9MOT) about 15 minutes ago. I will not have anyone to help with the video until tomorrow afternoon.
At that time I will open it. I can tell you now that the item in the box is NOT packed tight and is sliding back and forth.
The box is a 12" x 12" x 6" flat rate box so I don't think it is double boxed but won't know until tomorrow afternoon.
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Post by KA9MOT » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:24 pm

And there ya go making assumptions again Nate.........

This one is sure to bite ya' on the butt as well.........

I don't know how to post pictures here Nate so I will post them in the existing thread on The Island:

http://forums.hamisland.net/showthread. ... als/page12

The important stuff is triple boxed!
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Post by W2IBC » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:06 am

imagine that.

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Re: Package from KA9MOT

Post by AD4MG » Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:15 am

NA6TE wrote:I retrieved the box from Steve (KA9MOT) about 15 minutes ago. I will not have anyone to help with the video until tomorrow afternoon.
At that time I will open it. I can tell you now that the item in the box is NOT packed tight and is sliding back and forth.
The box is a 12" x 12" x 6" flat rate box so I don't think it is double boxed but won't know until tomorrow afternoon.
Profound, old bean! I'd open the box first and inspect the contents before throwing a man under the ol' bus again, but that's just me thinking out loud.

Good to see you seize that last opportunity for the win, OM. It's all been rather breathtaking to witness. You are truly a ham's ham.

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Re: Package from KA9MOT

Post by NM7L » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:38 am

NA6TE wrote:I retrieved the box from Steve (KA9MOT) about 15 minutes ago. I will not have anyone to help with the video until tomorrow afternoon.
At that time I will open it. I can tell you now that the item in the box is NOT packed tight and is sliding back and forth.
The box is a 12" x 12" x 6" flat rate box so I don't think it is double boxed but won't know until tomorrow afternoon.
That's when he'll call a press conference & crack open the box... just like Geraldo Rivera did with Al Capone's vault back in 1987

(for the record...Geraldo found NOTHING).
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this is getting stupid

Post by kk4aq » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:46 am

nate ive been reading this post from day 1. i think you are running it into the ground. i for 1 am tired of your dog fight. you got the other guys radio so how about doing us all a favor and go play kilo-cycle cop somewhere else. i dont know steve but i think you have kicked that dog enough. its just people like you that makes me want to get out of this god forsaken hobby after 35 plus years. it seems to me you have to much time on your hands. do yourself a big favor and check out wal-mart and see if they have a greeter job open. maybe it could turn your life around for the better or something.

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FT-857 Received from KA9MOT

Post by NA6TE » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:48 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hig_oJEniY Been removed to many assine comments

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SycB7AJ15Q Been removed to many assine comments

According to the ad the following was emailed to Adrian:
Have you found your Yaesu FT-857D yet? I have one that I purchased brand new this winter (Jan, 2011)for sale. It comes with all stock accessories (Bracket, Mic, Power Cord, manual) but no box. Also it has the CW and SSB filters installed. It also comes with the remote mount kit for the faceplate.

Findings:
The radio is pretty dirty but I can blow the dust off & out of before I send it to Adrian. Appears to be a call marked out with black marker on top near rear. There are no filters and looks like there never has been any installed and there is no manual. Power coed has been cut to 6". There is a connector marked KD9J and a box with the mic and radio head in it that came from Donald R. in Allendale, MI with mailed dates the same as when Steve bought it. I cannot verify that he "bought new"

The radio lights off and appears to work on all bands (receiver noise only) I don't have an antenna in the garage only a dummy load.

Adrain will need to let me know if he will accept the radio since it is not as advertised. If not, we can deal with it later, if so it will be shipped out within 12 hours of Adrians decision to Romania.
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Post by KA9MOT » Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:55 am

Nate,
The filters were left in when I bought the rig in March from another ham who bought it in Jan. They were a gift to me along with the Remote Control Mic. I paid $750 for the rig.

The separation kit has sat in my shack for quite some time and came from somebody else.

Surely you and Adrian understand that I sold the rig to Adrian for $750 and I left the filters in as a gift. You understand that that rig is worth at least $900 filtered up? You decided to bust my butt and put me through hell, and destroy my reputation and you actually expect me to still pass along a gift? I've already passed this gift on to somebody else...somebody deserving.

I mentioned 2 paybacks Nate. This is the first... The second is coming.......

Please send it back to me if Adrian does not want it. I will refuse it and we can see how long we can play pass the rig back and forth......

Adrian will not receive a refund of any kind......... The radio works FB and as we can tell, it is in good shape....dust indeed.
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Post by n5qmg » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:02 am

KA9MOT wrote:Nate,
The filters were left in when I bought the rig in March from another ham who bought it in Jan. They were a gift to me along with the Remote Control Mic. I paid $750 for the rig.

The separation kit has sat in my shack for quite some time and came from somebody else.

Surely you and Adrian understand that I sold the rig to Adrian for $750 and I left the filters in as a gift. You understand that that rig is worth at least $900 filtered up? You decided to bust my butt and put me through hell, and destroy my reputation and you actually expect me to still pass along a gift? I've already passed this gift on to somebody else...somebody deserving.

I mentioned 2 paybacks Nate. This is the first... The second is coming.......

Please send it back to me if Adrian does not want it. I will refuse it and we can see how long we can play pass the rig back and forth......

Adrian will not receive a refund of any kind......... The radio works FB and as we can tell, it is in good shape....dust indeed.
So you admit you are a thief?

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Post by KA9MOT » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:03 am

One last thing Nate. I took a page from your book and did some checking......

It appears that in the past you have aligned yourself with a known crook and even went so far as to claim you would suit some pretty nice folks for defamation of character, or something silly like that.

http://chat.qth.com/viewtopic.php?t=7375

Would it cause you concern that I am thinking of taking your advice? Of course the defense to these kinds of lawsuits is the truth...Is the truth on your side Nate?
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Post by KA9MOT » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:05 am

n5qmg wrote:
KA9MOT wrote:Nate,
The filters were left in when I bought the rig in March from another ham who bought it in Jan. They were a gift to me along with the Remote Control Mic. I paid $750 for the rig.

The separation kit has sat in my shack for quite some time and came from somebody else.

Surely you and Adrian understand that I sold the rig to Adrian for $750 and I left the filters in as a gift. You understand that that rig is worth at least $900 filtered up? You decided to bust my butt and put me through hell, and destroy my reputation and you actually expect me to still pass along a gift? I've already passed this gift on to somebody else...somebody deserving.

I mentioned 2 paybacks Nate. This is the first... The second is coming.......

Please send it back to me if Adrian does not want it. I will refuse it and we can see how long we can play pass the rig back and forth......

Adrian will not receive a refund of any kind......... The radio works FB and as we can tell, it is in good shape....dust indeed.
So you admit you are a thief?
A thief? I am an indian giver, nothing more. I gave a gift, and took it back and I gave them to somebody else.

Be careful with your words.

Actually, I mentioned to somebody in an email that I was planning to do this and it didn't quite set right with my conscience, because my plan was to sell them. That is why I re-gifted them, now my conscience is clear.
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Post by n5qmg » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:11 am

KA9MOT wrote:
n5qmg wrote:
KA9MOT wrote:Nate,
The filters were left in when I bought the rig in March from another ham who bought it in Jan. They were a gift to me along with the Remote Control Mic. I paid $750 for the rig.

The separation kit has sat in my shack for quite some time and came from somebody else.

Surely you and Adrian understand that I sold the rig to Adrian for $750 and I left the filters in as a gift. You understand that that rig is worth at least $900 filtered up? You decided to bust my butt and put me through hell, and destroy my reputation and you actually expect me to still pass along a gift? I've already passed this gift on to somebody else...somebody deserving.

I mentioned 2 paybacks Nate. This is the first... The second is coming.......

Please send it back to me if Adrian does not want it. I will refuse it and we can see how long we can play pass the rig back and forth......

Adrian will not receive a refund of any kind......... The radio works FB and as we can tell, it is in good shape....dust indeed.
So you admit you are a thief?
A thief? I am an indian giver, nothing more. I gave a gift, and took it back and I gave them to somebody else.

Be careful with your words.
Didn't you just admit to removing the filters after having sold the radio under the terms of them being installed? I can't wait to see who defends you on this count.

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Post by KA9MOT » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:13 am

Oh I am sure Nate will send the Detective around eventually.
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Post by kb2crk » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:36 am

nice video nate although i failed to see the dust you said was in the radio. it was not visible in the video of you quite roughly opening the radio. you should take greater care when taking a radio apart as banging it on granite the way you did can scratch it or damage it.

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Post by KA9MOT » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:38 am

In retrospect......maybe my decision to take my gift back and give it to somebody else, was not the smartest decision.

That said, I feel vindicated in doing so.

Look, with out regard for the truth, Nate and Adrian started a smear campaign against me that is like no other I have ever seen.

They may have tried to scam me, and even the Detective that was sent to my house said,"It s all perfectly clear to me now." when I explained that It was my opinion that Nate and Adrian were working together so Adrian would not have to pay the VAT.

Nothing else, I will never be able to sell any more radio equipment because these jerks decided to lump me into a pile with all of the bad guys on this site.

It was enlightening when I found a couple of references online about Romania being the Cyber Crime Capitol of the world.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Romanian ... =firefox-a

I know that many of you believe I am a thief, and I am sure that you made that decision weeks ago after seeing the other thread.

Believe what you will, I will never be able to change your mind.

All the good deals have been destroyed by these 2. All of the good that I have done since becoming a ham has been damaged by these 2.

I will not try to get the filters back, and I will not refund...period. I'd rather go to jail. It is a matter of principle.
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Post by KA9MOT » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:43 am

kb2crk wrote:nice video nate although i failed to see the dust you said was in the radio. it was not visible in the video of you quite roughly opening the radio. you should take greater care when taking a radio apart as banging it on granite the way you did can scratch it or damage it.
Yeah! "The G Forces"!
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Post by kg8lb » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:08 pm

Nate's handling IMHO was far more thoughtful than the packaging job. Even triple boxing with no internal padding to take up clearance leaves room for problems. The stuff seems to have survived so be it.
From what is shown here, the seller's own offer to sell shows that the filters are included in the sale offer. If they are not there, the seller once again has failed to fulfill his obligation. The obligations that also include maintaining shipping documents, good communication etc. Nothing elitist, just good dealings.
If behaviour such as this hurts the seller's reputation it is on him not the fellow who caught him in the act. Imagine Ted Bundy blaming the cops for the fact he couldn't pick up girls any more ! :roll:

Nate, good move taping the opening of the boxes.
Ever see the stories where a seller swears he shipped the filters but the buyer must have removed them ? There have been a few of those cases claimed recently. Of course not saying that would have been the case here . However, video taping is a good way to minmize the chances that would happen in any similar case. A good pointer for other buyers and sellers .
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Re: this is getting stupid

Post by n5qmg » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:41 pm

kk4aq wrote:nate ive been reading this post from day 1. i think you are running it into the ground. i for 1 am tired of your dog fight. you got the other guys radio so how about doing us all a favor and go play kilo-cycle cop somewhere else. i dont know steve but i think you have kicked that dog enough. its just people like you that makes me want to get out of this god forsaken hobby after 35 plus years. it seems to me you have to much time on your hands. do yourself a big favor and check out wal-mart and see if they have a greeter job open. maybe it could turn your life around for the better or something.
Do you still feel that way now?

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Post by n5qmg » Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:11 pm

KA9MOT wrote:Oh I am sure Nate will send the Detective around eventually.
Let's hope it doesn't get that far. You can still turn this thing around, to some extent at least, if you simply care to. Tell us all one final story. It should be easy enough, just tell us all the WHOLE TRUTH about what really took place.

Did you just procrastinate shipping it, then feel that you were stuck and not able to ship because Nate had already contacted the post office in your local area? I mean I can see how this could have all started with a little procrastination and then just spiraled out of control as a web of tall tales often does when someone is there to keep picking at the seams.

I don't personally have anything against you, but as of now I certainly wouldn't consider buying anything from you. You could change that in my case, I know for a fact. Just tell us a truthful story that adds up from end to end and do something about the filter situation. Seriously, you can only improve your reputation from this point forward. I consider you a poor quality liar; probably from lack of experience. You should try to keep it that way.

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Post by kg8lb » Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:20 pm

Maybe the "I am not a thief" should now become a double "Indian giver" and get the "Gifted" filters back from the "Gifted" party that his "conscience" guided him to. He can then forward the filters to the party that paid for them in good faith.

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Post by KA9MOT » Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:54 pm

n5qmg wrote:
KA9MOT wrote:Oh I am sure Nate will send the Detective around eventually.
Let's hope it doesn't get that far. You can still turn this thing around, to some extent at least, if you simply care to. Tell us all one final story. It should be easy enough, just tell us all the WHOLE TRUTH about what really took place.

Did you just procrastinate shipping it, then feel that you were stuck and not able to ship because Nate had already contacted the post office in your local area? I mean I can see how this could have all started with a little procrastination and then just spiraled out of control as a web of tall tales often does when someone is there to keep picking at the seams.

I don't personally have anything against you, but as of now I certainly wouldn't consider buying anything from you. You could change that in my case, I know for a fact. Just tell us a truthful story that adds up from end to end and do something about the filter situation. Seriously, you can only improve your reputation from this point forward. I consider you a poor quality liar; probably from lack of experience. You should try to keep it that way.
Do you really believe that? Seriously?

So what you are saying is you believe that I shipped slowly, and to cover that up, I tried to make 2 hams look like crooks, risked going to jail and whatever else would come of it.......Just to cover up slow shipping?

Look, I mentioned that there were filters in the rig. I did not offer to sell them. Adrian asked questions about them but did not inquire if they were included, or if I would sell them.
I figured I'd go ahead and send them as a gift. That is all.

They proved themselves to be not worthy of my gift, and I decided not to pass that gift along after all. They were a gift, nothing more.

As I said in an earlier post I should have left them in the rig....but I didn't. I decided that I would pass them along to somebody who was more deserving after I let Adrian know I had the radio back via email and his response was, " I hope to be the same again on the radio about which I have described you and have optional filters"

I sold him a radio at a fair price. I did not sell him any Filters.

I also passed along Adrian's request that the Customs Forms be filled out Fraudulently by checking "Gift" along with screenshots of Nate's admission that he does check the "Gift" box or fraudulently writes "Parts" in the description along with his claim that it doesn't matter because Customs Fee (VAT) doesn't matter on Used Amateur Radio gear, to Romanian Customs I don't know what will come of this, but I personally hope both get their Just Rewards.........Does that sound like something a person who shipped slowly would do?

What kind of a Monster do you think I am?
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Post by KA9MOT » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:09 pm

kg8lb wrote:Maybe the "I am not a thief" should now become a double "Indian giver" and get the "Gifted" filters back from the "Gifted" party that his "conscience" guided him to. He can then forward the filters to the party that paid for them in good faith.
Let's see, send the filters to the people who used me like their own personal whipping boy for nearly 2 months or take them back from somebody who is always available to help and is extremely motivated toward Ham Radio and Hams.

Hmmmmm....let's see...what to do...Gosh I hate these hard decisions.

I'm sorry, that is just the way I feel.
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Post by n5qmg » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:17 pm

Well.....ok then. Forget I ever said anything.

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Post by kg8lb » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:29 pm

KA9MOT wrote:
kg8lb wrote:Maybe the "I am not a thief" should now become a double "Indian giver" and get the "Gifted" filters back from the "Gifted" party that his "conscience" guided him to. He can then forward the filters to the party that paid for them in good faith.
Let's see, send the filters to the people who used me like their own personal whipping boy for nearly 2 months or take them back from somebody who is always available to help and is extremely motivated toward Ham Radio and Hams.

Hmmmmm....let's see...what to do...Gosh I hate these hard decisions.

I'm sorry, that is just the way I feel.
Sometimes you need to separate your feelings from your obligations. It is the right thing to do. You did a little unsubstaniated "whipping" as well. Of course had you been able to confirm that,in fact you had indeed shipped promptly and done that... it becomes likely non of this would have taken place. Just a matter of accepting your own responsibility and not trying to excuse your own poor behaviour due to the actions of others.
From what is presented,your offer included the filters. After all this time you STILL have failed to deliver the goods. You are not the victim here Steve.
It appears this all came to pass because of your own actions.
Not sending the filters along (if they were ever there) does nothing to help your credibility.

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Post by NA6TE » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:34 pm

The package has been shipped to Romania and thanks to Steve I could honestly say it was a gift. He sure as hell didn't pay me for it.
As far as the filters go the following is the original email:
The response is from:

Name: Steven Hays Sr
Callsign: KA9MOT
E-mail: kc0rey@gmail.com

The response is:

Adrian,
Have you found your Yaesu FT-857D yet? I have one that I purchased brand new this winter (Jan, 2011)for sale. It comes with all stock accessories (Bracket, Mic, Power Cord, manual) but no box. Also it has the CW and SSB filters installed. It also comes with the remote mount kit for the faceplate.

I'm selling th rig for $750 and it looks like USPS Flat Rate Priority Mail to Romania would be $69.60 insured. Shipping would take 10 days from me to you.

73,
Steve KA9MOT
Now I don't know where it says "if you want to buy the rig send money and I will remove the filters" I inspected the board where the filters where supposed to be installed with a magnifying glass and there has NEVER been any filters installed in that radio. Absolutely NO marks what so ever. Steve you also said YOU bought new in Jan 2011 then changed your story that you bought it from another ham that bought it in Jan.
I told you, once you start lying you need to take notes because you have to remember what lies you've told.

In my opinion you are a Sociopath and in case you don't know what that means you can read the following.
>Glibness and Superficial Charm

>Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

>Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

>Pathological Lying Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

>Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

>Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

>Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

As far as Adrain and I are concerned this situation is a done deal and the moderator may lock when ever deamed necessary.

Other than your good buddy's on the other forum, I think everyone else has seen your true colors.

I'm sure I will get castigated here for awhile but what I have seen come out of that group, it is usually childish, calling people names or just flat not making any sense.

Good Luck in the future Steve.
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