Regarding the CONDITION of equipment for sale or trade.

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K4ICL
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Regarding the CONDITION of equipment for sale or trade.

Post by K4ICL » Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:40 pm

The predominant negative feedback issue centers around the difference of the condition of a trading object as seen by the buyer and the seller.

If trading partners are seriously interested in knowing the actual condition of a piece of equipment, the criteria used to grade equipment condition must be agreed to by both parties. Further, such criteria must be based on observable physical characteristics, which, when taken as a whole, lead to a single accepted Condition Grade--one that will be seen as accurate by all parties concerned.

You are invited to look carefully at the Condition grading system provided at: http://swap.qth.com/k4icl-gradescale.htm

Provided is a viable Condition Grading approach that might be helpful.

Respectfully,

K4ICL
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WB6VHK
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Post by WB6VHK » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:14 pm

I agree with you 100% !

k5yy
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Re: Regarding the CONDITION of equipment for sale or trade.

Post by k5yy » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:13 am

Excellent for all to reread! I was one of 3 who developed the CCA grading scale the Collins Collectors use now, way back in the mid 1990s. It sure gets guys to within at least one grade of each other. The other end of the trading world has one guy saying mint or excellent when it is actually good at best. Rereading your Condition grading is a MUST for anyone trading ..... get on the same page as best one can! hi

rocketsci2001
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I whole heartedly agre with this system

Post by rocketsci2001 » Mon May 14, 2012 12:47 am

I have gotten DOA stuff that was supposed to be near mint or mint or good condition.

maybe this will make more people honest.

Sean Ross
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W0DVN
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Re: Regarding the CONDITION of equipment for sale or trade.

Post by W0DVN » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:13 am

I recently purchased a Yaesu DMU-2000 from W9VS. This was purchased as "non working". That part of the description was correct! However, this comes standard from the factory with the "scope" board that is supposed to be installed in an FT-2000. This is NOT an accessory and is something a reasonable buyer should expect to be shipped with the DMU-2000. It would seem to have been the ethical thing to do to state in the listing that this critical part was missing. Now all I have is a useless piece of $230 junk that cannot be used even if I spent the time repairing it.

When I reported this to W9VS, he "informed" me that he had been using this with an FT-5000, which does not need this board. This was a meaningless response because the DMU is still supposed to come with the scope board regardless. When I pointed this out, W9VS simply ignored me.

Be very specific about "condition" reports from this buyer. Ask questions because he will not volunteer anything and will not make restitution.

N9LCD
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Re: Regarding the CONDITION of equipment for sale or trade.

Post by N9LCD » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:20 am

Any statement as to the condition of gear for sale MUST BE taken as an opinion and not as fact until personally verified and "carved in stone".

KK2DOG
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Re: Regarding the CONDITION of equipment for sale or trade.

Post by KK2DOG » Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:40 am

"Mint" is a condition of a coin/bill. I often wondered how a piece of ham gear can be "Mint" never having even come from a mint.

KW4AR
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Re: Regarding the CONDITION of equipment for sale or trade.

Post by KW4AR » Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:12 pm

Very informative article-Will give me a better sense when attempting to sell or buy. 73s,John (KW4AR)

aa0hd
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Re: Regarding the CONDITION of equipment for sale or trade.

Post by aa0hd » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:24 am

For me, the most important thing in dealing with a fellow ham is honesty. Recently, I have a bad deal with a fellow ham W7SAO regarding the condition of the rotor he sold me. He stated in his Ad that the rotor is brand new never been installed apparently when I received the rotor, the rotor showed some wear and tear that indicates the rotor has been installed previously. He will not accept return, so I am now stuck with a used rotor. I will advice everybody to be true and honest to yourself and to any body you are dealing with to preserve your name.

AA0HD

PARLAY
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Re: Regarding the CONDITION of equipment for sale or trade.

Post by PARLAY » Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:36 pm

I have trouble with any description that uses the words "for its age". For example, "The condition of the transceiver is good for its age." What does that mean, exactly?! The statement is not descriptive. It is like hearing the recorded message that "an operator will be with you, shortly". It tells you nothing. I'd respectfully ask that sellers avoid use of the phrase and the managers of this forum include this guidance in their discussion on equipment description. Thanks.

W8TRN
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Re: Regarding the CONDITION of equipment for sale or trade.

Post by W8TRN » Sun Jul 29, 2018 10:07 pm

Over the past 10 years, I have purchased on line about 6 pieces of used equipment. All but one were inoperable. By that I mean, the light(s) came but the units did not function. To be clear, they simply did not function. The latest is a rotator control box that lights up but will not turn the antenna one degree. And the damn thing makes all kinds of racket. A total POS. Yes, I guess I am to blame but all the things I have purchased stated "in working order" or similar. The one piece that may work (read my second sentence), will be set up in a few days. I am finished buying used equipment on line from any site. What I expect to now hear is all kinds of excuses for advertising defective equipment as functional and operational. Sour grapes? Perhaps.

Mike
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